Need a BSDL file

[mattm8913]

I am looking for but unable to find a BSDL file for an ATI Radeon 9000 series device: M9-CSP64. The specific part number is 216t9ngbga13fhg. I've already checked bsdl.info . Is anyone else able to locate this file or know someone who would have access to it?

 

[dpaul]

Did you search the AMD website?

BSDL File (Boundary Scan Description Language)

A Boundary Scan Description Language (BSDL) file is a subset of VHDL that describes how JTAG (IEEE 1149.1) is implemented in a particular device.

www.xjtag.com

ATI was acquired by AMD in 2006 so you might find something there!

 

[mattm8913]

Did you search the AMD website?
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ATI was acquired by AMD in 2006 so you might find something there!

xjtag was unable to find the BSDL file for us. AMD said
"Due to the NDA policy, technical support, is obtained directly from your part distributor / retailer / system builder / Field Application Engineer (FAE). Please reach out to them directly for assistance." We do not have one of those for this chip.

 

[dpaul]

If this an NDA stuff no one here can do anything because that would mean sharing of confidential information which is illegal.

We do not have one of those for this chip.
For sure in a public form you will not find FAEs!

 

[mattm8913]

If this an NDA stuff no one here can do anything because that would mean sharing of confidential information which is illegal.

We do not have one of those for this chip.
For sure in a public form you will not find FAEs!

Yeah, I'm not totally sure what they meant by that. My understanding with NDAs is that usually one party is bound not to share something that belongs to another party, so if AMD doesn't want to share the info, then I'm assuming that it's because it belongs to another party like a distributor, and that distributor WOULD be able to share it because they own it. Just because AMD is not able to (or may not be able to, as they aren't using definitive language) share it legally, that doesn't mean that other people are not able to share it as well. This is a 20-year-old chip that's no longer in production, so really no one should care about its data anymore because even if Intel stole the technology and made an exact copy, no one would buy it.

I guess I'm hoping to find someone who CAN share it, or someone who knows a distributor or retailer who might be willing to share it.

 

[dpaul]

I guess I'm hoping to find someone who CAN share it, or someone who knows a distributor or retailer who might be willing to share it.

This should have been your question!


Find out and then contact the relevent distributor/authorized supplier/whatever, agree on a meeting with them, sign the relevent documents (NDA) they give you and after that you can get the docs you need from them --that's the standard process worldwide!

 

[FvM]

There might be a problem that first generation Radeon 9000 is legacy technology (more than 20 years old). Developer support probably ended long time ago. I wonder if the M9-CSP64 parts offered on the market are genuine ATI/AMD products.

Are you targeting to simple boundary scan (e.g. test of pin connectivity in production or repair)?

 

[mattm8913]

This should have been your question!


Find out and then contact the relevent distributor/authorized supplier/whatever, agree on a meeting with them, sign the relevent documents (NDA) they give you and after that you can get the docs you need from them --that's the standard process worldwide!

That sounds great - but where do I find out the relevant distributor/authorized supplier?

 

[mattm8913]

There might be a problem that first generation Radeon 9000 is legacy technology (more than 20 years old). Developer support probably ended long time ago. I wonder if the M9-CSP64 parts offered on the market are genuine ATI/AMD products.

Are you targeting to simple boundary scan (e.g. test of pin connectivity in production or repair)?

I don't think I need any new parts, so I'm not really concerned with how genuine they are. I just need to troubleshoot and repair existing boards. We've purchased high quality reball and x-ray verification equipment, but the solution of "take the whole thing off and reball everything" is not a great one because reballing can cause more issues than it solves, and it doesn't always work.

We need to perform boundary scans to test pin connectivity so that we can be more targeted in our repairs. I'm building a netlist for our boards, but it's going to be much harder to test the pins under that chip if I can only communicate with the 4 other parts around it. If we can get a BSDL file for that chip, then it'll be much easier to test and repair the boards to which they are attached.

 

[Steven9487]

I don't think I need any new parts, so I'm not really concerned with how genuine they are. I just need to troubleshoot and repair existing boards. We've purchased high quality reball and x-ray verification equipment, but the solution of "take the whole thing off and reball everything" is not a great one because reballing can cause more issues than it solves, and it doesn't always work.

We need to perform boundary scans to test pin connectivity so that we can be more targeted in our repairs. I'm building a netlist for our boards, but it's going to be much harder to test the pins under that chip if I can only communicate with the 4 other parts around it. If we can get a BSDL file for that chip, then it'll be much easier to test and repair the boards to which they are attached.

I am looking for BSDL file for this one as well. Do you have any luck on it ?

 

[mattm8913]

No. I had one vendor say that he found one, but then he later said that it was corrupted. I've had to reverse-engineer pieces to get some read-only capability.