Why the obsession with output ripple voltage of SMPS?

cupoftea

Advanced Member level 6
Joined
Jun 13, 2021
Messages
3,280
Helped
65
Reputation
132
Reaction score
150
Trophy points
63
Activity points
17,006
Hi,
Why is it that most Engineering companies who are looking to get a Switch Mode Power Supply designed for them
are only interested in the voltage ripple on the output volts?
They fear that an SMPS will destroy the operation of their system due to the SMPS noise.
As long as an SMPS has enough capacitance so that the output caps are not over-ripple currented, then the ripple that you get will generally be
fine and not too noisy in 98+% of cases.

Even 3v3 microcontroller or FPGA rails don't need to have ripple less than 200mvpkpk in general. As long as any analog reference voltage is ripple
free then its fine.

Yes you get some inamps that need super low ripple but they just use a low power rail which can be heavily filtered...so the ripple on the
main incoming power rail is irrelevant.

The actual noise problem of SMPS is the common mode noise that they give off...and this cant be measured on the scope.

So why is the world so obsessed with SMPS output ripple voltage specs?
 

In addition to the SMPS intrinsic output swing, there will be many other devices on the board adding their our contribution to degrade the power bus; since these artifacts are assynced each other the interference could either cancel or add, so why not concern on that?
 
Because every damn thing has a radio on it now?

Because they don't know what aspect of delivered noise matters, so they fixate on the one that's published?
 
Not to mention CM noise to earth ! I like a well engineered psu, for plain battery charging 100mV rms diff noise is fine, < 1V CM - for a bench psu < 5mV rms ( @ full power ) & < 50mV CM.
 
Because every damn thing has a radio on it now?

Because they don't know what aspect of delivered noise matters, so they fixate on the one that's published?
This is basically it.

There is no straightforward ways of characterizing noise/ripple/EMI in a way that allows one to ensure that a power supply will work with a given load (like a radio or whatever). "Ripple" is one of the only metrics which can be measured in a straightforward manner, and it's better than nothing I guess.

I've seen some companies provide test data on radiated/conducted EMI for power supplies, but that's quite rare.

Even 3v3 microcontroller or FPGA rails don't need to have ripple less than 200mvpkpk in general. As long as any analog reference voltage is ripple
free then its fine.
Good luck if the supply for your PLLs has this much ripple on it.
 
The high frequency ripple of a switching supply may not be a problem for digital circuits, but if there's an analog circuit anywhere around, it will find that ripple.
 

Similar threads

Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…