fasto2008 said:Kn =µ0 * Cox
we haven't the value of Cox
Thank you in advance for your help
Fasto
kishore2k4 said:Check this site for detailed explaination of the BSIM3 model. Whenever you start with a new process its a good idea to do characterisation of the the MOSFETs in simulation.
The parameter values you see in the model are not always the actual stuff. They are curve fitting parameters that were extracted from silicon characterisation when the process is first done.
Yes, it's one of the most stable properties in any silicon semicondutor process. At least you can trust the first 2 figure values of epsilon(SiO2,rel)=3.9 .neter said:Is Epsilon(SiO2) constant in common use of any process (TSMC and UMC) ?
fasto2008 said:K' (Uo*Cox/2) 170.7 -36.1 uA/V^2
Low-field Mobility 405.36 85.73 cm^2/V*s
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Thank you for everyone FASTO
Hello everyone
I need transconductance parameter Kn of the NMOS and Kp of the PMOS .
from website MOSIS, i download spice model parameter TSMC 0.18µ ,CR018 (CM018) (mixed-mode).
*****************************Spice Model*****************************
.MODEL NMOS NMOS ( LEVEL = 49
+VERSION = 3.1 TNOM = 27 TOX = 4.1E-9
+XJ = 1E-7 NCH = 2.3549E17 VTH0 = 0.3631313
+K1 = 0.5920712 K2 = 3.261973E-3 K3 = 1E-3
+K3B = 2.9061018 W0 = 1E-7 NLX = 1.840449E-7
+DVT0W = 0 DVT1W = 0 DVT2W = 0
+DVT0 = 1.4767146 DVT1 = 0.4177419 DVT2 = 8.829889E-3
+U0 = 255.1380803 UA = -1.597788E-9 UB = 2.53505E-18
+UC = 4.766568E-11 VSAT = 1.010331E5 A0 = 1.80776
+AGS = 0.3951935 B0 = 2.536033E-7 B1 = 5E-6
+KETA = -5.061981E-3 A1 = 5.396345E-4 A2 = 0.8936768
+RDSW = 111.58989 PRWG = 0.5 PRWB = -0.2
+WR = 1 WINT = 0 LINT = 1.840173E-8
+XL = 0 XW = -1E-8 DWG = -5.605289E-9
+DWB = 1.137609E-8 VOFF = -0.0871468 NFACTOR = 2.3018187
+CIT = 0 CDSC = 2.4E-4 CDSCD = 0
+CDSCB = 0 ETA0 = 3.127659E-3 ETAB = 9.485027E-6
+DSUB = 0.018202 PCLM = 0.7464953 PDIBLC1 = 0.2263045
+PDIBLC2 = 2.358517E-3 PDIBLCB = -0.1 DROUT = 0.8266278
+PSCBE1 = 4.915846E10 PSCBE2 = 2.831646E-9 PVAG = 0.010936
+DELTA = 0.01 RSH = 6.6 MOBMOD = 1
+PRT = 0 UTE = -1.5 KT1 = -0.11
+KT1L = 0 KT2 = 0.022 UA1 = 4.31E-9
+UB1 = -7.61E-18 UC1 = -5.6E-11 AT = 3.3E4
+WL = 0 WLN = 1 WW = 0
+WWN = 1 WWL = 0 LL = 0
+LLN = 1 LW = 0 LWN = 1
+LWL = 0 CAPMOD = 2 XPART = 0.5
+CGDO = 8.4E-10 CGSO = 8.4E-10 CGBO = 1E-12
+CJ = 9.619152E-4 PB = 0.8 MJ = 0.3787773
+CJSW = 2.61908E-10 PBSW = 0.8 MJSW = 0.157929
+CJSWG = 3.3E-10 PBSWG = 0.8 MJSWG = 0.157929
+CF = 0 PVTH0 = -6.300783E-5 PRDSW = -2.1729835
+PK2 = 9.978988E-4 WKETA = 8.888859E-5 LKETA = -6.31897E-3
+PU0 = 4.3665601 PUA = 9.428511E-14 PUB = 0
+PVSAT = 1.356405E3 PETA0 = 1.003159E-4 PKETA = -1.583628E-3 )
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.MODEL PMOS PMOS ( LEVEL = 49
+VERSION = 3.1 TNOM = 27 TOX = 4.1E-9
+XJ = 1E-7 NCH = 4.1589E17 VTH0 = -0.3706453
+K1 = 0.5740728 K2 = 0.0277093 K3 = 0
+K3B = 7.9502396 W0 = 1E-6 NLX = 1.195464E-7
+DVT0W = 0 DVT1W = 0 DVT2W = 0
+DVT0 = 0.6525814 DVT1 = 0.2558611 DVT2 = 0.1
+U0 = 103.6542095 UA = 1.044279E-9 UB = 1E-21
+UC = -1E-10 VSAT = 1.528072E5 A0 = 1.6482476
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Kn =µ0 * Cox
we haven't the value of Cox
Thank you in advance for your help
Fasto
It's published and available ...Can you share the whole library model for nmos and pmos specified below.
See here.from website MOSIS, i download spice model parameter TSMC 0.18µ ,CR018 (CM018) (mixed-mode).
*****************************Spice Model*****************************
.MODEL NMOS NMOS ( LEVEL = 49
******************Model***********************
MOSIS PARAMETRIC TEST RESULTS
RUN: T49P (MM_NON-EPI) VENDOR: TSMC
TECHNOLOGY: SCN018 FEATURE SIZE: 0.18 microns
Depends on the run lot. For the ...So for this model, we should take Kn = 171.2u and Kp = 36.1u right?
RUN: T49P (MM_NON-EPI) VENDOR: TSMC
TECHNOLOGY: SCN018 FEATURE SIZE: 0.18 microns
K' (Uo*Cox/2) 170.7 -36.1 uA/V^2
No. With the extracted U0 values from SPICE you get Kn=228 µA/V2 resp. Kp=87.6 µA/V2.Actually Kn = µnCox, where Cox we can calculate as εsi/Tox. Tox is available in the library. But how can we take the µn value. There is a U0 value in the library. Is this what we have to take for calculation? But U0=270.9714861 for NMOS and U0=103.9954725 for PMOS. With this we need to calculate?
I never used this lib, sorry. But if you got these values from a lib (or from TSMC lot run test results), you better use these values; they already represent the K'=K/2 values for your calculations.When ever you have used this library, have you designed circuits with Kn = 171.2u and Kp = 36.1u ? Because for design Kn and Kp values are very important rt.
Depends. As mentioned above, these K' values are correct for your calculations (those which need K'=µ*Cox/2).Also here K' is specified in library as µnCOx/2. Actually when we design, we use Kn as µnCox only. So do we need to multiply the given values Kn = 171.2u and Kp = 36.1u by 2?
It depends on what you intend: If you want to get a chip fabricated, it's a MUST to get the libraries (actually the full PDK) from that fab/foundry. If you just want to "play around" until you get a working circuit - for educational purpose, or just because of interest in analog design - you could use any (h)spice model library which is publicly available, e.g. from .Could you please share a mos hspice model library you are using which is working correctly for us to try some circuits. We would like to have level49 library for which we know accurate Kn, Kp, Vth, ΔVth values.
Manual calculations provide only a rough approximation to the reality. Simulations take into account many more effects (if the models used provide the respective parameters) and so are indispensable to achieve a working circuit.We do not know why, after designing, opamp is not working correctly. We designed for UGB = 150 MHz and SR=30V/us for a supply of 0-5V. With this we get only 33Mhz UGB and open loop gain is also only 77dB. Why could this be happening? What change should we make in our design to correct it.
For high accuracy analog design -- where good matching is necessary -- always L > Lmin is used (by a factor 3..5), this however trades accuracy for speed: if high UGB is your priority, stay close to Lmin. There are so many dependencies between various circuit specifications; all this analog design stuff is taught in universities and by textbooks, you have to study it.Should we keep L=0.18u or can we keep it as 1u?
This is quite usual, as it limits the validity of the models for a certain accuracy. Sometimes several different models are used for various W & L ranges.Also is there a max limit on the width and length of transistors of the library.
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