The heck with VIDs & PIDs!!!!
I know what my problem was/is and I hope to get a bootloader working as soon as I get my new computer up and running time premitting, soon. I am using my crappy laptop as I type. The new machine has Windows 7 so that should take care of V & Ps.
I feel like a jerk as I type but ... I recall Big Dog mentioning somewhere here in the forum to someone to be sure and verify that D+ & - were correctly wired. Tonight I got out an ohm meter to verify those connections. Well the @#$%^& boards (ALL 4) do have USB connectors. Yes, the power can be supplied via USB. And yes I have programmed a couple of them using the ICSP features. And on the board under test I have changed the crystal to 20MHz although I could have changed the PRAGMAs to live with teh 4MHz crystals that came with the boards.
Anyway, my ohm meter quickly found there is NO BOARD WIRING from the USB connector to pins C4 & C5 needed for the USB to function. And of course, the PIC18F4520 does not have a USB feature so I can understand why whomever did the board layout design did not run wires to C4 & C5. OK, I still have work to do to get a working bootloader. No cigar but I can smell the smoke! More later
Foggy