Hello All! I want to build simple oscillator as shown in this article:
**broken link removed**
1) Is it Colpitts oscillator using transistors parasitic capacity? (I read some tutorials from https://www.edaboard.com/threads/85698/ )
2) If it is, How do we know parasitic capacity of transistor. Where is the second "capacitor". Is it good idea to add some smd capacitors?
3) How to determine length L=... between transistor base and R1 welding point (Is it L=WaveLength/2, so we get phase shift of 180. Then transistor itself adds 180 and we get 360 phase shift for proper feedback?)
4) How i can mathematically determine microstrip line lenght and R1 parameters?
5) Can I use this scheme as low-power RF oscillator? How bad is it? Maybe other simple scheme without Dielectric Resonator exists?
6) Can i get RF signal before R1 using SMD or microstrip capacitor and connect it to some kind of antenna?
Thanks!
Oh thanks, just googled it and found some schematic of grounded base oscillator. Actually i thought that 10GHz oscillators are (almost)always done by using DRO, and was excited by "simple" microstrip contruction in my first message.Make it directly 10GHz by using Microstrip-for instance- base grounded oscillator.It's more straightforward..
Actually i thought that 10GHz oscillators are (almost)always done by using DRO, and was excited by "simple" microstrip contruction in my first message.
I thought about using DROs, since I get one woking 10GHz oscillator pcb with parallel feedback based on common emitter scheme npn transistor. But when i tried to copy it design i realised that it is very tricky to find right dro position even in original circuit. It just stopped to oscillate somehow and i do not any serious equipment at home to understand why. As i do not need stability over temperature and time periods, non-DRO idea disturb my mind heavily. I know it is stupid not to use classical straightforward solutions. But i still dreaming about finding out how to do it without DRO. Now i glued old one DRO and planning to use it as reference oscillator: put reference signal and non-DRO oscillation signal together in simple diode mixer to get LOW frequency signal. Then i can analyse it by USB oscilloscope, see how stable it and do some expents. Thats my high frequency amateur dream..It depends what resonator Q factor you need. Higher resonator Q factor means better frequency stability and lower jitter = lower phase noise. DRO is an inexpensive way to design fixed frequency oscillators with decent frequency stability (DRO pills are available with different temperature drift characteristics) and decent signal quality.
As i do not need stability over temperature and time periods
My application is to measure distance to objects that do not move (no doppler effect). Maximum distance is 10 meters, actually I need only 5, but i used "double rule": If it works better two times, then it easily get that 5 meters. In this case MHz drifts are not acceptable. But what I thought of is it can be self-compensated. Here is my "theory":Do you say that frequency drifts of some MHz and noisy signal are acceptable? What is the application of your oscilllator?
light_speed=299792458 ' light speed in m/s
light_speed = 299792458
distance_to_object=10 ' maximum distance to object in meters
distance_to_object = 10
' s - distance to the object
' v - speed of RF wave
' multiply by 2 because wave travels s two times:
bounce_time(s,v)=2*s/v
time_interval1=bounce_time(distance_to_object,light_speed)
time_interval1 = 0.000000067
' result in seconds
My application is to measure distance to objects that do not move (no doppler effect).
I want to use classical FMCW approach
I hope that this nonlinearity can't make presision lower than +-1 meter. Also I read that frequency modulated approach works good with low-power transmitters and easier to analyse with presence of noise of analog part.
I can't use methods such as detection of phase difference. Wavelenght is too small, and for phase approach to work I will need to "lock" initial position of the object (phase), then somehow "track" this position.
Oh wow! I did not know that before, thanks =)No, there's a trick. The method would be AMCW. You would use a fixed frequency (in my case it was 24GHz with a DRO oscillator) and apply an AM modulation in the MHz range. Then, you do diode detection of the received signal to recover the modulation signal, and measure the phase difference between modulated (MHz) signal and received signal modulation.
When I alter collector voltage of transistor frequency changes too even with DRO in scheme. It was a surprise. I noticed this effect after some experiments with powering up and powering down npn-transistor: even after powering down some signal comed from mixer for about 2-3ms. I think it is because stabilized power source have many capacitors, and they give some voltage for a short period of time. Then i used computer program for recording sounds i and find out that if some massive object is in front of one-patch tx antenna then i get some sound. For example if it metallic cabinet, i can get some strong sound tones, and this tone grows with distance. I was able to hear it even with interferense from power switching, but modulation length is too short for simple DSP method. Maybe 10-20 points of some tens kHz sampling rate. I thought about adding microcontroller with DAC and put some OpAmp to alter base voltage of transistor. But the bad bart is that my DRO oscillator is glued (welded?) in a big cavity with some unused old schematic. I know it is not right way to change the frequency, and it is better to use varactor and microstrip near DRO as shown here: **broken link removed** (i like this design, but do not like DRO). Now I reading some info on FET transistors, there are some interesting schemes below 5GHz, maybe try them later. It is more simple and can use cheap PCB. The bad part is that many schematics provide only theoretical design, and no microstrip design.You wrote about fixed frequency (DRO) so far
Compared to state-of-the-art FMCW radars, a few 100 MHz frequency sweep is rather small.
I think something is wrong with your approach. FMCW needs a wideband tunable signal, with linear sweep. It makes not much sense to look at fixed frequency oscillators, no matter if the resonator is DRO or microstrip filter. You need a VCO with decent tuning range and known tuning curve. Typical FMCW systems have built-in circuitry to measure the frequency/tuning curve, and then apply corrections, to ensure linear sweep.
IMO, you will not get anything useful if you use DIY fixed frequency oscillators (no matter how simple the design is) and try to de-tune them a bit, with unknown tuning range and unknown tuning curve.
You can then calculate the audio output frequency for objects at several meters distance
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