How can i learn the self resonance of a SMT capacitor ?

[brian39]

0402 capacitor self resonance

I want to bypass the unwanted frequence , so i use the cap. but How can i learn the self resonance of a SMT capacitor ? for example , i want to filter out some frequences on the power supply of GSM900&1800&1900.

 

[flatulent]

murata capacitor self resonance

This information is part of the catalog data. You can back out the series inductance. Then you will have to include the traces as transmission lines and the via inductance.

 

[eladg]

determine the self resonance

I want to bypass the unwanted frequence , so i use the cap. but How can i learn the self resonance of a SMT capacitor ? for example , i want to filter out some frequences on the power supply of GSM900&1800&1900.

see it at the data sheet

 

[flatulent]

smt capacitor srf

A historical note. Using series resoanace of bypass capacitors goes back many decades. Eimac power grid company sold sockets for their power valves/tubes with build in screen grid bypass capacitors of a size required to resonate the grid lead inductance at the higher end of the frequency operating range of the device. This insured a very good ground of that grid which is required for proper, non-oscillating operation of the device.

 

[avd]

self resonant frequency of capacitor 33pf

Another possible method to determine the self-resonant frequency of a cap is to make use of a network analyzer. If you sweep from a lower freq (say for example 50MHz) to a higher (than what you require e.g. 3GHz) you can easily determine where the self resonance occurs. Connect the cap in shunt as a 1 port network. Plotting on a Smith Chart (the Impedance Locus), you can see where the self resonance occurs. Where ever the locus crosses the 'resistance' line (i.e. the cap represents that it is purely resistive, this is where one of the self resonant frequencies occur). Remember, the capacitor is a theorectical series resonant circuit, so the impedance prsented by a series resonant circuit is purely resistive at resonance. As an example, a 120pf disc ceramic capacitor is self-resonant at 133MHz. Another piece of info to remember is that for every 1mm of lead length represents 1nH of inductance at 1GHz. I hope this helps.

 

[avd]

mcsil capacitors

A further follow-up to your question. You could instead use a software package such as ADS by Agilent. You can simulate a capacitor response (by sweeping the applied signal frequency, and checking the magnitude of the impedance). The response you will get should be identical to that if you were to use a network analyzer, just without having to use the physical capacitor.

 

[olive]

cap self resonance

With standard 0402 size capacitors you can approximate the model with a series inductance around 0.7nH. This is a raw approximation, but usually good for 1GHz range power decoupling.
Personnally I use 33pF for 900MHz, 10pF for 1900MHz and 6pF for 2.4GHz.
In order add some compensation for components leads, track/wire inductance, you might need lower value.
Murata Web site has a very good interactive tools to calculate the impedance and S parameters of their capacitors. I use it a lot.

 

[AL0117]

capacitor resonance and bypass capacitors

Hi Brian39,

You can download from the Murata website an utility(called Chip S parameter and Impedance Library),

**broken link removed**

this is for their range of capacitors.
Pick up a capacitor, and visualise the impedance of the capacitor. You will see at the self resonant frequency (SRF) the minimum of the graph.

At this freq. the parasithic inductance became resonant with the capacitor. Above this freq. the capacitor act as an inductor. Be aware, what capacitor are u using for bypassing

From UHF range to 2.4 GHz I use several capacitors in paralel (22pF, 100pF,1nF and 1uF/tantal

Cheers, Al

 

[Smanetto]

self resonance

Look at:

https://www.avx.com/SpiApps/default.asp

here you will find some interesting tools, such as programs that show impedance vs frequency charts of the capacitor you select.

 

[brian39]

33pf self resonant

Thanks !