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Y^x = x^y find dy/dx .. any clues?


PS: its not a homework !
 

Or an interview question? The solution is surprizingly simple, try to find some values that belongs to the solution, could start with tupel (0,0).
 

no, not an interview question
my teacher just told me to solve it without having to solve it only by myself.
I`m just gonna get 5+ marks if i got the problem solved

ANYWAY
i can differentiate one of the sides
but i dunno how to differentiate the other, so any clues?
 

I don't see if it could be solved by any general method. However you can easily see that x=y is a solution. You should be able to show, that no other solution exists.
 

this is what i get
dy/dx = ((y/x)-ln)÷((x/y)-ln(x))

this is how i did it
y^x = x^y
ln(y^x) = ln(x^y)
x*ln = y*ln(x)
use product rule and differentiate sides using implicit differentiation and solve for dy/dx and you get the answer at the top.

I might be wrong so please check my work.
 

y x^(y-1)-ln y^x

thats what i get using The Microsoft Math software

the left side is clear
but i dunno how it got the right side :S
 

selpak said:
y x^(y-1)-ln y^x

thats what i get using The Microsoft Math software

the left side is clear
but i dunno how it got the right side :S

what do you mean left and right side? I dont see an equal sign in your reply. please elaborate.
 

before differntiation it was x^y - y^x = 0
or x^y = y^x


plz help... i have no much time :S
 

selpak said:
before differntiation it was x^y - y^x = 0
or x^y = y^x


plz help... i have no much time :S


I think what I posted earlier is correct, unless you can prove the steps that I took are mathematically incorrect.
 

Hi,
Just for fun, it is a standard text book problem and this is how it is done:

Starting from where vmp has left:
xlny = ylnx
Differentiating both sides,

x*1/y*dy/dx + lny* dx/dx = y*1/x + lnx*dy/dx .

dy/dx(x/y - lnx) = (y/x - lny) ; since dx/dx = 1

So, dy/dx = (y/x - lny ) ÷ (x/y - lnx)
= 1/x(y-xlny) ÷ 1/y(x-ylnx)
= y/x (y-xlny) ÷ (x-ylnx)
and EUREKA ... The answer is same as what vmp has told and it is right too.

Regards,
Laktronics
 

i found answers on yahoo.com
i`m gonna post them tomorrow ..
thanx vmp
 

find dy/dx implies generally a function in x, not in x and y, I think. Thus I wouldn't call the said function a solution. It's rather a rearrangement.

P.S.: I've seen that it could be meaningful to calculate a differential as shown.
 

thanks laktronics for confirming.
 

Laktronics ur the best

thanx ery1
 

I don't know.

The fact that you are looking for dy/dx implies that there is a functional relationship between x and y (i.e. x and y are not just a single value each).

I think what FvM said in the beginning was right.
x^y = y^x implies that y=x

which implies that dy/dx = 1

If you are implying that y=x is not the only function satisfying this relationship, please show another function which which satisfies x^y = y^x ?

Added after 2 hours 23 minutes:

ok, maybe there are other solutions hiding out there somewhere that just don't come to mind easily
 

Attached is a solution of the function that satisfies x^y=y^x using Maple

First just for info I plotted x^y

Then I defined Z = y^x-x^y

Then I substituted y=x^t into z giving
z := (x*t)^x-x^(x*t)

Then I solved for values of t that would make z=0 (t=1 would correspond to y=x).

Maple comes up with the solution:
t = -1/ln(x)*LambertW(-ln(x)/x)

The plot of that functon looks like 1 below e and then drops down above e.
The part below 1 indicates other functions besides y=x.

For example
x=5, y = 5 * (.3529843829051551765517446)
xx^y - y^x = .1e-22

Who'd of thunk it.
 

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