Interestingly, in 90% failed cases we have so far, the same solenoid circuit has blown up.
Amongst heaps of other standards, these units have been tested and passed EC 61000-4-4 Electrical Fast Transient.
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The gate damping resistor issue has come up before and we have tested this several times, with and without it. The result is always that it not required in this case. The switching waveforms are beautiful, no oscillations etc.
Okay, it would seem clear we can rule out over-current as a possible cause of the failure.I now checked the DC resistance of this coil. It is 1k8!
The worst case peak current would be 240 * 1.41/1800 = 188mA. Even with tolerances, it might be as much 220mA max. I think we thus can rule out the problem of the zero cross on switching current.
Which schematic?what do R6 and C4 do?
Perhaps you should look more closelyI haven't looked that closely, but the first thing that jumps out at me is: what do R6 and C4 do? They're just dangling in the air, which makes me think you might have other errors in your schematic.
What would one see? I have in 35 years never tried to open a blown semiconductor. Interesting.Have you delidded parts yet to see what actual failure mechanism is ? My methods of yore
probably no longer valid but we used to take them out into a parking lot, use a blowtorch,
and turn the plastic to ash. Then we could examine assembly and die issues. Actually worked
well and did not use the chems it takes to do it that way.
did you short G-S for this test? If not: do so.I also just tested another one and the top FET has an interesting failure in that it has become shorted one way but diode the other way .
Tricky. Not successful with what we have in the lab. We have a microscope but no ability to take pictures. Unfortunately I left it in the office and will only be back there next Wednesday. I will take it home then and try my USB microscope for a picture.Post the best in focus pic you can get of it, hi res camera or best you have.
Regards, Dana.
The datasheet says:Not sure, is this a trench fet ?
Regards, Dana.
Two things that bother me about the schematic:
One, the follower opto gate drive discharged by 100Kohms
G-S seems likely to be quite slow, might leave the FET
linear for a good while and have no real "OFF" authority
against any drain dV/dt. When dark you basically have an
open-gate FET. That is mysterious, at best. And we're not
dealing with "best".
Two, aside from the TVS I see no "catch diode" for solenoid
turnoff, to take that energy. If one FET remains energized
while the other is turning off, there could be an unrecognized
current return path out of the solenoid through something
brittle. Such as an unclamped MOSFET gate.
For failure analysis I would first want to know the mode.
Gate rupture tends to leave a G-S resistance. Burnout
would either make D-S leak, or open source bond wires.
Are either of these signatures present on failed devices?
It would be best to pull a set of I-V curves on the gate-
source (Vds=0) and drain-source (Vgs=0) bidirectionally,
maybe a 10uA current limit, so you can see what's done
gone and broke.
The missing silicon is peculiar, in the photos. You'd have
to find a way to put a lot of force on that. Or crack the die
electrothermally, which -could- happen. A question is, does
it, more than once?
That's a funny looking FET, it has a lot more "texture" than
old timey ones I used to see. Like 1/4 of it is different than
the remainder. Maybe it's a gate clamp patch or something.
Thank you, all points noted.Two things that bother me about the schematic:
One, the follower opto gate drive discharged by 100Kohms
G-S seems likely to be quite slow, might leave the FET
linear for a good while and have no real "OFF" authority
against any drain dV/dt. When dark you basically have an
open-gate FET. That is mysterious, at best. And we're not
dealing with "best".
Two, aside from the TVS I see no "catch diode" for solenoid
turnoff, to take that energy. If one FET remains energized
while the other is turning off, there could be an unrecognized
current return path out of the solenoid through something
brittle. Such as an unclamped MOSFET gate.
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