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I have a sensorless bldc motor. Motor: 310VDC-380VDC, 1.2A, 150W, 1100 rpm, 10 pole, 12 slot.
I'm trying to control the speed. I used the circuit and code on the internet.
this's diagram:

this's code:
But just started, the mosfet is broken. I don't have an oscilloscope to check.
I tried 12VDC motor, it's no problem.
What is the problem?
 

The original circuit at simple-circuit.com drives a 12 V BLDC. Not clear if necessary modifications for high voltage have been applied. Would be helpful to see a photo of the HV power stage.
Possible issues
- too large gate resistors
- missing DC link bypass capacitors
- crosstalk of output stage noise causes false switching
- no overcurrent sense (may be necessary depending on BLDC winding resistance)
 

In addition to what FvM wrote:
* slow diodes for bootstrap
* slow electrolytics capacitors for bypass and bootstrap

Seeing these issues in the schematic ... I also expect similar issues with PCB layout.

Everything regarding half bridge circuits and BLDC driving ... has been discussed hundred times before.

MOSFET manufacturers as well as MOSFET_driver manufacturer provide hundreds of application notes how to do it correctly. All say about the same ... thus it's not necessary to look for a specific one.

Use these documents. Don't rely on random internet source.

Klaus
 

- điện trở cổng quá lớn
I will reduce the resistor to 10 ohm. Is that ok?
- thiếu tụ điện DC link bypass
Add bypass capacitors between power supply and ground. any other positions?
- nhiễu xuyên âm của tầng đầu gây ra hiện tượng chuyển mạch sai
Crosstalk causes short circuit which damages mosfet? how to remove them?
* diode chậm cho bootstrap
i'm using Diode Schottky. trr = 500ns
* tụ điện phân chậm cho bypass và bootstrap
bootstrap capacitor is tantalum 1uF
Mọi thứ liên quan đến mạch cầu nửa và điều khiển BLDC ... đã được thảo luận hàng trăm lần trước đây.
Can you give me the keyword?
 


Vậy tại sao bạn lại cho chúng tôi xem 1N4007?
I originally used those components, then I changed them but i haven't modified the schematic yet
Why do you show us a 1N4007 then?
I originally used those components. Then I changed them but i haven't modified the schematic yet
did you try: "half bridge circuits and BLDC"
i tried but there is not much specific data about them. I am looking for a simpler and more concise driver, TPD4164K by TOSHIBA
 

originally used those components. Then I changed them but i haven't modified the schematic yet
For your own benefit I recommend not to post schematics that does not match your real circuit.
Indeed for me who wants to help it often is a waste of time.. causing misunderstandings.. and thus is annoying somehow.
tried but there is not much specific data about them. I am looking for a simpler and more concise driver, TPD4164K by TOSHIBA
I did not ask to look for a different circuit / different components. I rather recommend to use the ones you have correctly.
The manufacturer provides all informations you need.

Even in this forum Ir21xx problems are the most often discussed problems.
It seems all posters make the same mistakes.. thus the answers are the same, too.

I guess I repeated the solutions more than 50 times .. but many posters don't spend time for a search .. they all expect "personal treatment".
To me it feels as the posters expect the "helpers" to spend the time they don't want to spend. They act as if their time is more worth than ours.

Don't get me wrong .. but having repeated it 50 times is enough.

Klaus
 

Hi,

your application involves high speed switching (steep edges = high frequency components) of rather high voltage and rather high current.

This needs a lot of school and experience .. to understand the effects of high frequency and how they influence other parts and signals, overall stability and end product reliabilty and lifetime. This is not an easy job .. nothing for beginners.

Many tinkerers will fail.
Many tinkerers report they got it working ... but also that it failed to operate after some time (sometimes causing explosion an fire).
Almost none of them cares about safety regulations (Example: They think the use of an optocoupler is sufficient for isolation, but they don´t understand the concept of clearance and creepage distances .. and that they vary with voltage, pollution grade, altitude, use case .. and so on)
Almost none of them cares about EMI/EMC regulations
.. Making them illegal to be used.

--> If I - as a professional - would sell the circuits they built ... I had a good chance to go to jail ... sooner or later

Klaus
 

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