BGR soft-start up

[T-14]

Hello, I have adapted 2 soft-start circuit for BGR
and as VDD is rising during 0.1us, it has overshoot(?)
How to solve this problem?
I have searched several papers for start-up, but it seems they don't have this trouble.

 

[sidun.av]

Hi @T-14 ,
- What is your VDD voltage? 8V?
- What is your target Vout?
- It seems like your start-up circuit is based on RC constant (time of charging the cap) .Check your start-up currents, at what time it enables the circuit? Is it enabled at all?
- It would be usefull to see how your circuit is loaded too (What is connected to Iref and Vout);
- I don't understand how did you manage to short two nets with different names Vref1 and VOUT. Any mistake here?

 

[dick_freebird]

Determining the min and max supply risetime is an important pair of "goalposts" and you can spend time badly, trying to get sane response to insane corner conditions.

Very unlikely to get 100ns risetime out of a global power-on as converters all soft-start. Maybe with a hard switch but between source inductance and decoupling still unlikely.

If your problem is an over-the-top response on hard Vdd slew, try a timeout /UVLO that doesn't allow loop amp to start until Vdd is stable and in tolerance.

 

[T-14]

Hi @T-14 ,
- What is your VDD voltage? 8V?
- What is your target Vout?
- It seems like your start-up circuit is based on RC constant (time of charging the cap) .Check your start-up currents, at what time it enables the circuit? Is it enabled at all?
- It would be usefull to see how your circuit is loaded too (What is connected to Iref and Vout);
- I don't understand how did you manage to short two nets with different names Vref1 and VOUT. Any mistake here?

1) VDD?
VDD = 7V

2) Vout?
I considered its output to 3.3~5V.

3) Start-up current
Current appears from TOP-PMOS-current-sources
which has 100uA~200uA each. same result with & without start-up circuit

My guess : OPAMP drives -> PMOS-Current-Source turns on rapidly

4) Connect
Iref and Vref are connected to another OPAMP Buffer.
as I wished to measure with Oscilloscope.

5) Vref1 - Vout
I intended it, and it works fine after some sort of in-rush current

--- Updated Yesterday at 4:13 PM ---

Determining the min and max supply risetime is an important pair of "goalposts" and you can spend time badly, trying to get sane response to insane corner conditions.

Very unlikely to get 100ns risetime out of a global power-on as converters all soft-start. Maybe with a hard switch but between source inductance and decoupling still unlikely.

If your problem is an over-the-top response on hard Vdd slew, try a timeout /UVLO that doesn't allow loop amp to start until Vdd is stable and in tolerance.

I set VDD's rise time to 0.1us
Because I think I read post on EDAboard -> simulate VDD increasement 1ns, 1us each
Maybe I can start it up slowly - but how much?

I have no idea about UVLO yet,,, it might takes some time to understand it.

http://media.guidebook.com.s3.amazonaws.com/upload/wugvwecR6s7glTn7eR3IceXqJOla1VUJYphsFxBk/15e02926-749b-11e5-8b3e-06ff92f22a81.pdf

are you talking similar like this? adapt to which node?

 

[dick_freebird]

For this specific purpose, better to stay simple.
What you need, is to hold off enabling until
you have enough headroom for FET stacks to
work, in suppressing spurious dV/dt turnon
the rest of the way up (or even wait until
done, done).

At this kind of supply, a stack of 2 NMOS,
2 PMOS, all diode connected makes a
"good enough" reference for functionality
of shunt switches (like, put one across final
PMOS G-S, "on" by default, "off" when stack
gets "lit up" (exceeds 2VTN+2VTP, plenty
of gate drive, can turn on below desired
LDO output voltage; problem behind that is
error-amp windup, so more shunting there).

If you put a capacitor burden on the bandgap
then on switch-release, soft start is a freebie.
You probably want that filter anyway, with
discharge shunt (so as to release, on cue).

 

[T-14]

For this specific purpose, better to stay simple.
What you need, is to hold off enabling until
you have enough headroom for FET stacks to
work, in suppressing spurious dV/dt turnon
the rest of the way up (or even wait until
done, done).

At this kind of supply, a stack of 2 NMOS,
2 PMOS, all diode connected makes a
"good enough" reference for functionality
of shunt switches (like, put one across final
PMOS G-S, "on" by default, "off" when stack
gets "lit up" (exceeds 2VTN+2VTP, plenty
of gate drive, can turn on below desired
LDO output voltage; problem behind that is
error-amp windup, so more shunting there).

If you put a capacitor burden on the bandgap
then on switch-release, soft start is a freebie.
You probably want that filter anyway, with
discharge shunt (so as to release, on cue).

Thank you for your reply.
I have thought for 20 minutes, but it is hard to figure out shut switch concept.
I searched on internet, but there was only rf-related circuits.