I wanted to upload its pic and tried two times but the pic uploaded to 100% but paused on it.
hiThe system accepts certain image formats (and not others). See the Rules section. It's best if your image is sized under 500k.
For a couple weeks Edaboard's interface has given everyone long delays in all actions (logging in, navigating, submitting posts, etc.). Although system programmers have mostly gotten us back to normal a few bugs still remain to stamp out.
hi, thanks for your reply.Start with Design Specs:
- Linear Sine Osc
- f = 50 Hz
- f Error = ? tolerance stackup on 6 parts vs cost
- Single supply, e.g. 15V
- BJT Op Amp e.g. LM358
- Steady-state time? quick or "X" = don't care , let's say < 5 cycles or 100 ms max
- Amplitude: ? fixed or maximum =? tolerance error = ? Let's say maximum of Vcc
- Distortion: ? fixed V or % harmonic from clipping on high side (Vcc-1V), let's choose no clipping.
If using Twin-T approach , how does it work?
- basically an all pass filter with phase-cancelling notch with null phase shift at resonance with null output for ideal components.
- This promotes oscillation with ANY amount of positive feedback and negative feedback for DC self-bias.
- Clipping deletes small-signal feedback thus forward and reverse gain goes to zero when limited or open loop gain and zero gain when clipped, so steady-state maximum amplitude is balanced.
- 1st design the twin-T filter 1st then scale RC for low current.
- I chose www.Falstad.com/afilter and chose > circuits> simple> filter> twin-t > adjusted slider to 50 Hz < 1%. after reducing spectrum slider to minimum
- One can change all Ohms to k and uF to nF> copy all and paste into a blank page of http://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html (^a to select all then {delete} or shortcut https://tinyurl.com/ydh8bqav
- I added an LM358 using >Draw> Active building blocks> Add real Op Amp> then V to add battery> w for wires
- Since LM358 has an asymmetric saturation 1V on the high side only, I choose a lower value for Vcc/2
- Then connect wires to Vin- and Vout, It oscillates full scale to saturation immediately then decays very slowly because the -ve gain is barely <|1| which means even 1 pF of positive feedback might sustain oscillation and the balance between saturation and full open loop gain is achieved automatically at x1 so the GBW product is irrelevant ( < 500 Hz ) unlike high Q oscillators and filters where Q is squared on GBW so
- it becomes GBW= Av²fo ( Stewart's Rule of Thumb}
- Now I have an almost perfect osc.
- What-if tweaks on component tolerances can use mouseover slider then ^z to undo. "spacebar to change mode to move/stretch/drag parts. (many shortcuts)
With practice, this takes about 5 minutes.
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After reconsidering amplitude stability , I chose 1N4148 diode Vf @ If = 1uA positive feedback and R1 for gain rather than for the unity negative feedback.
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just press the [insert image] buttonthe file format is .png and its size is 60kB. with this info, does uploading the pic have a problem?
No I do not have any references.hi, thanks for your reply.
Although I read your reply twice, your details are more complex for me, I did not understand most of what you said. can you introduce to me a reference for theses details?
That is also the frequent type of image I use. The files have .png at the end. Currently uploading gives me no problem.hi
the file format is .png and its size is 60kB. with this info, does uploading the pic have a problem?
I usually just copy & pasteThat is also the frequent type of image I use. The files have .png at the end. Currently uploading gives me no problem.
If the filename has no suffix then it might have a problem since it doesn't notify what is the image format.
hijust press the [insert image] button
or [Ctrl]+[P] to upload pictures.
Klaus
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