A static Switch Design

[thannara123]

Switch Design by using Solid devices

Hello ,
I want to know to designing of a solid static Switch to replace my manual switch ,The switch rating is Volt 230 ,Ampere 6Amp. [Like a relay but not relay]

In detail ,
I need to change the condition of the switch by pressing a single button switch.

My thoughts is , it can be made by using a Thyristor or MOSFET or IGBT .



Any reference or tutorial is appreciable.

 

[d123]

Hi,

Maybe you could use/adapt one of these circuits, perhaps including isolation by replacing the pass device with a solid state relay.

Latch and Toggle Power Circuits

Latching Momentary Switch Circuit


Latching power switch uses momentary pushbutton

 

[nikhilmahasvar]

Re: Switch Design by using Solid devices

If you use SCR it will be rugged and reliable.

 

[betwixt]

Thannara123, you don't say whether the switch is for AC or DC but assuming from the 230V it is mains AC you can't use an SCR (you CAN use two SCRs!) or the other devices you mention because they can only handle one polarity.

I think what you need is a Triac or two 'head to tail' parallel SCRs but tell us first how your switch is supposed to work and whether it has to be isolated for safety.

Brian.

 

[thannara123]

Thannara123, you don't say whether the switch is for AC or DC but assuming from the 230V it is mains AC you can't use an SCR (you CAN use two SCRs!) or the other devices you mention because they can only handle one polarity.

I think what you need is a Triac or two 'head to tail' parallel SCRs but tell us first how your switch is supposed to work and whether it has to be isolated for safety.

Brian.

Yes the switch is need to work in AC 50-Hz and it need to be isolated for safety .

 

[betwixt]

In that case the easiest solution is to use a triac opto-coupler for isolation and a small transformer to provide the DC supply for it's LED. If you use a standard logic driven design as shown on almost all triac data sheets, but just wire the switch to turn the LED current on and off it will satisfy all your requirements. You have the option of a normal or zero crossing opto-coupler, a normal one will switch the power on at almost any time, a zero crossing type will wait until mains AC passes through zero volts before turning on. For most purposes both will work exactly the same but a zero crossing one may cause less interference and stress on the device you are powering.

The DC feed to the LED should only need to pass ~10mA at a few volts and will be safety isolated so no special cables or switches are needed

Brian.

 

[FvM]

The usual solution would be a triac or dual scr solid state relays. I have e.g. used Sharp S202 and S216 series for similar applications like heater control.

Triac and scr as well as IGBT switches have 1 to 1.5 voltage drop and can't work without a heatsink at 6 A. Unlike a contactor, they are vulnerable to load short and overcurrent. That's why solid state relays are mainly used for applications with higher switching frequencies, e.g. > 0.1 Hz.

MOSFET pairs can act as AC solid state switch with lower voltage drop and respectively lower power dissipation, but the solution is relative expensive due to large required MOSFET area and neither ruggedized.

 

[thannara123]

The usual solution would be a triac or dual scr solid state relays. I have e.g. used Sharp S202 and S216 series for similar applications like heater control.

Triac and scr as well as IGBT switches have 1 to 1.5 voltage drop and can't work without a heatsink at 6 A. Unlike a contactor, they are vulnerable to load short and overcurrent. That's why solid state relays are mainly used for applications with higher switching frequencies, e.g. > 0.1 Hz.

MOSFET pairs can act as AC solid state switch with lower voltage drop and respectively lower power dissipation, but the solution is relative expensive due to large required MOSFET area and neither ruggedized.

Sharp S202 and S216 series is not available in my area.
What about these type **broken link removed** ,Can i use it instead ,is this same type like sharp s202?

google given this circuit http://www.bowdenshobbycircuits.info/358heat.htm

 

[FvM]

I mentioned Sharp SSR as an example. Any industry standard SSR can be used as well like the linked Dolphin modules.

 

[KlausST]

Hi,

You don´t want to use a relay. You may have a good reason why.
Best is to tell us this reason, then we can recommend the best solution for you.

The reason can be: sound, speed, phase control, size, cost, power consumption, or anything else ... we don´t know...

Klaus

 

[thannara123]

Hi,

You don´t want to use a relay. You may have a good reason why.
Best is to tell us this reason, then we can recommend the best solution for you.

The reason can be: sound, speed, phase control, size, cost, power consumption, or anything else ... we don´t know...

Klaus

The reason SIze and sound ,Also want to use the latest tech

 

[KlausST]

Hi,

* Ready to buy SSRs: No sound, isolating...but usually they are bigger.
* Triac: not isolating
* Triac and MOC circuitry: No sound, isolating, I assume smaller than SSRs ... but you need to take care of safety isolation, creepage and clearance distance
* a smaller and a more silent relay?

Klaus

 

[dick_freebird]

Might also consider photoMOS type solid state relays,
especially if the load is inductive (a problem for SCR
and TRIAC types, unless specially designed for the
out-of-phase I, V).

 

[thannara123]

Might also consider photoMOS type solid state relays,
especially if the load is inductive (a problem for SCR
and TRIAC types, unless specially designed for the
out-of-phase I, V).

photoMOS type have high cost and low ampere rate :thinker:

 

[treez]

Heres an idea
https://www.edaboard.com/showthread.php?t=372252

 

[BigBoss]

**broken link removed**

This company's product should be available in your country.

 

[betwixt]

Do it like this:


The transformer can be very small as it only has to supply a few mA. For the resistor marked '*' use the formula:
((Transformer RMS * 1.4) - 2) / 0.01 where the transformer RMS is the secondary voltage of the transformer.
For example with a 6V RMS transformer use ((6 * 1.4) - 2)/ 0.01 = 640 Ohms.

Note that the switch and any wiring to it is isolated from the AC line.

Brian.

 

[thannara123]

Do it like this:
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The transformer can be very small as it only has to supply a few mA. For the resistor marked '*' use the formula:
((Transformer RMS * 1.4) - 2) / 0.01 where the transformer RMS is the secondary voltage of the transformer.
For example with a 6V RMS transformer use ((6 * 1.4) - 2)/ 0.01 = 640 Ohms.

Note that the switch and any wiring to it is isolated from the AC line.

Brian.

which triac is ther e any number ?

 

[betwixt]

Use any triac with suitable voltage and current ratings. All but the very biggest industrial devices can be triggered by a MOC opto-coupler.

If your load is reactive, consider using a 'snubberless' type or adding an RC snubber across the triac. The MOC data sheet explains how to do it.

Brian.