CST Simulation running too long ...

Hi All,

I'm trying to simulate a simple solenoid (Something like a verification of biot-savart law) with N turns etc. The purpose is to measure H inside the device.

The problem :
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I'm getting the following msg :
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Solver cycle: 1
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Stimulation at discrete port 1


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Units settings:

Dimensions: cm
Frequency: MHz
Time: s

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Mesh summary:

< 0.5 :0.6 %
< 0.25 :0.4 %
< 0.1 :0.1 %
< 0.05 :0.0 %
< 0.02 :0.0 %

Minimal filling: 3.201 %

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*** Error ***

The current settings will lead to an extremely long simulation time.

You may improve the simulation speed by:

1. checking the frequency range and units settings
2. extending the simulation frequency range
3. checking the mesh to avoid very small mesh steps

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The means i've taken :
a. I've arranged a reasonable mesh (honestly)
b. The frequency bandwidth is 400% of what should be according to the signal's FFT.
c. as you can c in the units, i'm simulating a large one - ~60cm diameter.

The result :
Simulation time is tooooooooooooo long !
the timestep is (ns*1e-6).... I need Help !

(BTW: It would b nice if someone has a solenoid model to spare... )

Desperatly,
P.

I'm not understand, what size of Your structure in wavelengthes? You can effectively simulate only the electrically small structures. For structures such coils You can try to use the mesh subgridding, if You use the CST version 5 or later.

Regards,
Kit

It seems that you are simulating a low frequency inductor. When you say CST which one of their tools are you using ? MWS, EMS, Mafia?
In case you are using MWS, it is not the right tool for low frequencies (when you can neglect the displacement current) but the other two would be.

You should try simulating the model using Ansoft Maxwell 3D.

**broken link removed**

Itai

Hi Pushhead

If You are using non linear dimension element.
You get this list that what it means

1. Checking the frequency range and units settings (always do it)
2. Extending the simulation frequency range (for getting smaller cells No. of cell depend on Wave Length of High Freq.)
3. Checking the mesh to avoid very small mesh steps (you have very small mesh steps in the simulation)

If you have circle try to segment it instead of using perfect circle.
also diagonal lines with very low angle.
PL

Thanks alot Plasma,

I've done it even b4 I asked the forum's help.
actually the solenoid is "square-o-noid".

The interesting part is that i've succeeeded in reducing the calculation time X10 by inflating the surrounding box volume.

Can you explain what is the meaning of expanding the box, or why it reduced the calc. time ?

I think that when the box is smaller it's not absorb the all radiating
energy and it behave like resonator and that expand the time for the pulse
to decay.
So when you increase the volume more energy absorbs and
it took you less time.

RGZ


Because you are working with low freq. the mesh cell are big so check if you have less then 3 cells between structure and boundary.

Also, check the value of your lower frequency range.
For low-Q structures, such as your antenna here, reducing
the Fmin can influence positively (reduce) the simulation time.

I realised that when i was simulating one of my antennas,
between 1.5-3 GHz, the simulation time reduced when i tried
0-3GHz. I didnt even have to adjust the size of the bounding
box at all !

Also, from my experience, the meshline ratio limit plays a
dominant role, even when you have low (e.g. 10) lines/wavelength
setting. For my lower frequency antennas, e.g 400MHz, i
retain 10-14lines/λ, but i increase a lot the meshline ratio. This, i think,
can improve the accuracy in the meshing, without increasing
number of meshnodes in an exponential manner.

Let us know your outcome!

fekete said:

It seems that you are simulating a low frequency inductor. When you say CST which one of their tools are you using ? MWS, EMS, Mafia?
In case you are using MWS, it is not the right tool for low frequencies (when you can neglect the displacement current) but the other two would be.

Click to expand...

Hi. Now I am simulating a Wireless Power Transfer System with CST 2013.

Working frequency is 6.7 MHz (wavelength=50m). What module in CST should I use? MWS, EMS...???
The size of coil is 60cm. What is the size of air box should I select? Because when I simulated, size of air box impacted alot on resonant frequency of system.
Many thanks

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cplia said:

Also, check the value of your lower frequency range.
For low-Q structures, such as your antenna here, reducing
the Fmin can influence positively (reduce) the simulation time.

I realised that when i was simulating one of my antennas,
between 1.5-3 GHz, the simulation time reduced when i tried
0-3GHz. I didnt even have to adjust the size of the bounding
box at all !

Also, from my experience, the meshline ratio limit plays a
dominant role, even when you have low (e.g. 10) lines/wavelength
setting. For my lower frequency antennas, e.g 400MHz, i
retain 10-14lines/λ, but i increase a lot the meshline ratio. This, i think,
can improve the accuracy in the meshing, without increasing
number of meshnodes in an exponential manner.

Let us know your outcome!

Click to expand...

I don't understand your idea. Please can you explain about the role of meshline ratio limit and lines/wavelength?
Many thanks!