Self supply power? Possible?

Hello,

Had anyone ever tried using a DC motor to rotate another DC fan, and make use of the output voltage produced by the DC fan, supply back to the DC motor, to keep the motor running? The circuit is as shown.

Yes, (yawn) this has been tried by countless people in countless ways.

Works fine all of the time that the battery is connected and contains sufficient charge to drive motor and fan.

As soon as the battery is disconnected, or when the battery voltage drops due to exhausted charge, the motors slow down and stop.

.... which makes this a completely pointless circuit to build.

.... but you go ahead and try it for yourself and prove to yourself that it does not work.

Self supply power is NOT possible.

If you want to do more research, Google the following topics:

Perpetual Motion
Over-unity
Scam
Snake oil
Smoke and mirrors

@hexreader: "Smoke and mirrors"

-- I laughed out loud :-D

I almost jumped on this guy yesterday when I saw his thread appear in the forum, but I thought better of it.... We were all noobies at some point. Many of us {myself included!} still are.... But the best noobies have the respect to try not to waste peoples' time with whimsical and silly questions that would be more easily and effectively answered by a little Google search, or the proper application of a little common sense.

hexreader said:

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Self supply power is NOT possible.

If you want to do more research, Google the following topics:

Perpetual Motion
Over-unity
Scam
Snake oil
Smoke and mirrors

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Thanks for pointing, after search through the perpetual motion and over-unity, I believed that IT IS possible to self supply of power.

If scientists have had your perception and mindset, human’s footsteps would not be found in moon surface and no robot would land on the Mars.

There is missing link in the self supply power system in order to work. Good luck to me.

dustmote said:

@hexreader: "Smoke and mirrors"

-- I laughed out loud :-D

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hexreader said:

Yes, (yawn) this has been tried by countless people in countless ways.

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oook said:

Thanks for pointing, after search through the perpetual motion and over-unity, I believed that IT IS possible to self supply of power.

If scientists have had your perception and mindset, human’s footsteps would not be found in moon surface and no robot would land on the Mars.

There is missing link in the self supply power system in order to work. Good luck to me.

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hey now, this might be a fun thread to keep track of

oook said:

Thanks for pointing, after search through the perpetual motion and over-unity, I believed that IT IS possible to self supply of power.

If scientists have had your perception and mindset, human’s footsteps would not be found in moon surface and no robot would land on the Mars.

There is missing link in the self supply power system in order to work. Good luck to me.

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Dude...the link for self supply for not to work is Thermodynamics. No machine is 100% efficient.

Otherwise we would have had this...

Did you hear that Hexreader???? People would still be cavemen with no fire if everyone was as close minded as you!!! Why don't you try opening your heart to the universe's positive vibrations??? In fact, I think that if we all focus our intentions, that we can realize that not only is free energy possible, but that in fact we ARE manifestations of infinite love power!!!!

OOOK, don't let these haters get you down! Here's some helpful tips to guide you on your magical journey of discovery and knowledge:

1. Run a flashlight from a battery, then shine it onto a solar cell that charges the battery. BOOM, INFINITE POWER!!!!
2. Use a car engines's alternator to electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen gas, then route the gasses back to the engine to be burned. BOOM, Infinite MPG!!!
3. Plug an electrical cord into your neighbors' outdoor electrical outlets. BOOM, FREE ELECTRICITY!!!
4. Use a lightning rod to attract lightning, then use the lightning to charge a battery. WOW, THANKS NATURE!!!!

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I want to point out.... The above four suggestions that I posted are ACTUAL THINGS PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED TO ME in all seriousness when I told them that I was interested in power electronics and photovoltaics etc. I had actual real people that I know tell me these things in complete seriousness. They thought they were being insightful.

I must admit, when it happens, I don't try to explain anything to them.

I don't argue.

I just kinda smile and nod, and go "Wow, What an idea, Bro!"

Now don't get me wrong, I am a total nutjob. I believe in aliens, ghosts, and angels. But, when it comes to "free energy" I am really more interested in ANY conversation that involves thoughts on actual potentially possible principles that might advantage us. For example, I don't think an energy source really has to be "free" for it to be really advantageous to us from our perspective. If you think you can see a principle which allows something which is "impossible" to occur, then that feeling should be based on a theory or evidence that could explain it. NOT just saying "Who knows, anything is possible!?!"

Case in point: Average silicon solar panels can provide more electricity during their working life than was used in their manufacture. That's including processing the aluminum channel for the frame, making the glass pane which provides it's main structure, and making the solar cells themselves. This didn't use to be true, but the efficiency and output of modern cells has gone way up versus how it was 30 years ago.

This doesn't challenge thermodynamics, and it actually makes a lot of sense. Heck, if the lifespan of the panels could be improved, there's no reason why the things HAVE to "go bad". I mean, if the lifespan of the panels could be increased to a few centuries instead of a few decades, then the equation would tip even more in our favor.

What this means is that you can make solar panels, then use their output to run a factory to make more solar cells etc etc etc until we have as much electricity generation as we need. Of course, there are still other pieces in the puzzle like how to store the energy in a more sensible fashion than lead acid batteries and stuff, but there's avenues to look down as far as those things go, too.

There's really interesting fuel cell technology on the cutting edge right now, too. Particularly I am referring to direct borohydride fuel cells. There has been shown a fuel cell technology in the lab environment which consists of a alkaline solution of sodium borohydride. This solution can be produced from an alkaline solution of sodium borate {aka borax} in a electrolytic cell which is divided into two compartments by a selectively permeable membrane made of a plastic film called Nafion, which is produced by DuPont. The efficiency of the conversion is high, greater than 90%, and then the borohydride fuel can be used in a normal platinum or nickel electrode fuel cell to release hydrogen and generate electricity, which is also a pretty high efficiency process. THEN, the borohydride fuel which is spent turns back into an alkaline solution of sodium borate, READY FOR REGENERATION. Of course, nothing in this process is "generating" energy, it just converts energy first from DC electricity into chemical energy, then back to DC electricity.
Oh yeah, and the kicker is that this borohydride fuel has an effective utilizable energy density nearing or even exceeding that of traditional fuels such as diesel, petrol, or gasoline.

The simplified formula of what's happening here is :
NaBO2 + 2 H20 + electricity <----> NaBH4 + 2 O2
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I can point to the relevant research articles and stuff if anyone cares...

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I guess my real point here, all the trolling aside, is that OOOK, If you are really interested in electricity, then PLEASE take the time to educate yourself and research and try to innovate to make the world a better place. But please take the time to take it all seriously.

Sure-- most discoveries and inventions were said to have been impossible at some point by somebody, but in actuality most of the major technological advances made in recent centuries were brought into being by people using processes of considerate and methodical science. That includes the robot on Mars and the lunar landing. If it wasn't just filmed in a sound stage somewhere :lol: :lol:

What I am saying is: If you are interested in technology-- GREAT! But please care enough and be wise enough to do something useful and beneficial with that passion.

I have seen many people before who started out starry eyed and with big whimsical dreams who quickly became disillusioned and disheartened because they jumped right in without really understanding what they were getting into and quickly burnt out when they found that a technological revolution isn't as simple as having the courage to stand up and say "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!" lol

hai
ooks
dont let be down
try for self power supply dont think about winning and loose
according to me
you could have recharge you battery from motor by using dynamo fcourse you will not get your 100% efficient
there would be some loss in order to compansat thesesupply some solar energy to it
or use some sort os piezo electric deviice to it

Oook,

The truth is unfortunatley these guys are right. You can't get something for nothing. When you realize that the motion of your system undergoes friction you will be on the road to understanding. Even if the system was 100% efficient you could never extract any useful energy out without stopping the system.

I also agree with dustmote, don't let this get you "disillusioned and disheartened". Take this opportunity to learn. Understand why its not possible at a fundamental level and then you will be far ahead of the average Joe when it come to the physical world.

Really, all the best of luck.

dfullmer

I agree with dfullmer, A senior in my field once told me he quantifies his job as a career of failures with an occasional success. The fact that you came up with this, something that is not fed to you in a book (at least i hope this wouldnt be in a book) shows you have potential of being innovative and willing to walk off the path of regurgitation of information, yes most amazing ideas you have will either be concluded as failures, or already existing, but remember it only takes one, Paul Brokaw with the brokaw bandgap would be an example. Besides every dead end path is a learning moment.

-Pb

oook said:

If scientists have had your perception and mindset, human’s footsteps would not be found in moon surface and no robot would land on the Mars.

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This is particularly ironic because NASA scientists would be the first to tell you you're wrong, and would probably be angry to have their work compared to overunity hoaxes.

Here is an analogy on why Perpetual Motion doesn't work and why it's not a source of "free energy"... Imagine a pump and some rubber tubes, the pump is pumping water from a reservoir (container of some sorts) through the tubes and into a device whereby the water turns a wheel, which turns a generator which generates "electricity" that flows to the pump, which pumps the water,etc... Afterwards it then exits the generator and heads back to the reservoir to be pumped again.

Now to some it would seem that, after the water is flowing nicely and the "electricity" to the pump was cut this type of configuration would run "perpetually" forever, until STOPPED by an external force, like a hand pinching the tube, or placing a monkey wrench into the generator's cogs.

But it would not, and if you think it would you have failed to realize that the pump was pumping more than just water, it was pumping ENERGY, the water was just being taken along for the ride. Energy is lost mostly as friction in the tubes and the shaft of the pump and generator. It's no different than poking a bunch of holes in the tube, it will cause water AND energy to leak out, and if both are not replaced constantly the entire system will eventually cease to function as designed!

Pinching the tubes would simply cause an energy leak while the water would stop flowing, it would not leak out of the tubes and electricity is no different.

Remember folks, electrons are not "electricity" or "energy", electrons are particles, and in our analogy they are the water, they do NOT travel near the speed of light, they transmit the energy, which travels near the speed of light. Water is easy to see, energy is not so it's no surprise people don't see the energy escaping "perpetual motion" devices because they think the electrons are the energy and they don't see electrons escaping from their device (because it isn't!), when light and heat (forms of energy) ARE escaping under their noses!

The only way to make a perpetual motion device work is to remove ALL forms of resistance, electrical or mechanical, then you can give the device some initial ENERGY and watch the ENERGY perpetuate unimpeded forever. A perpetual motion device is NOT a source of "free" or "endless" energy, is a form of energy storage, and once you try and "harness" the energy from the device, it will eventually deplete no differently than pinching or poking holes in the tube.

Before you try and assembly such a device, remember that it is VERY hard to remove all forms of resistance from any device, but it is possible.

If by now you are not convinced, you are energy blind and there is little hope for you.