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Return loss S11 (help)

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Why return loss S11 should be less than -10 dB?
Can anybody help me explain it.
 

An s11 value of "-10 dB" means 10% of the incident power is reflected back towards the source from the device (antenna, junction, amplifier etc) under consideration.
There is nothing hard and fast about this value - indeed, an antenna will still radiate with an appalling input s11 of only -3 dB (50% incident power reflected), an amplifier with an input s11 of -3dB will still amplify it's input signal - just comparatively inefficiently [since you're throwing away half your signal power before you even get started], and with potential problems at the signal source if it has issues with reflected power at its output (e.g. diode lasers, high power transmitters etc).

-10 dB is thus just a "rule of thumb" as a practically acceptable minimum. Personally, I prefer -20 dB ;)
 
So, for antenna. It is mean large s11 value, give lower performance of antenna.
Am I right?
 

Yes - if I interpret your "larger" as meaning "more positive" :)

i.e.
0 dB - terrible! An open/short circuit.
-5 dB - awful
-10 dB - passable
-20 dB - pretty good
-30 dB - ideal
...
-60 dB - unattainably perfect :)
 
thank you buddy.
you are very helpful.

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How about gain of antenna?
Large or lower gain will give the better performance.
 

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How about gain of antenna?
Large or lower gain will give the better performance.

There's not one answer, it depends on the system. Higher gain in one direction means lower gain in other directions. High gain antennas allow longer range in one direction, but need to be pointed accurately. Low gain antennas have lower range, but can receive signals from wider span of directions.
 

Antenna gain is directivity is a given direction.

One example where gain is not the only object is for antenna (typically parabolic dishes or segmented parabolic surface) used for space communication.

Signal to noise is the main object. Higher antenna gain does not alway mean better signal to noise. In space communication the main intended direction is usually pointing at a much lower noise temperature then terrestrial antennas that have the relatively hot earth in there field of view. The noise in the signal to noise ratio at the antenna output is KTB where K is Boltszmann constant (1.38x10^-23) times temperature of object that antenna is looking at, times bandwidth of channel.

Looking at the sky, the background noise temp can be quite low compared to earth, 5 deg K to 20 degs K compared to 290 degs K for earth. Highest gain on a dish is with full illumination across the surface of dish with minimal spillover on the edges. This uniform illumination, while giving the most directivity in a given direction, also comes with significant sidelobes. These sidelobes, although 10 db or more down in directivity gain compared to the main lobe, may be pointing at the hot 290 deg K earth. The antenna output noise floor is the summation of the main lobe at cold temp and all the sidelobes at whatever noise temp they happen to be pointing at. This can degrade the overall noise output of the antenna.

Most space communications antennas contour their illumination with drop off in intensity toward the edge of dish. This reduces directivity somewhat, yielding a broader main lobe but can greatly reduce the levels of sidelobes. The net result is a bit lower gain in the intended direction but much lower noise contributions from sidelobes, resulting in net better signal to noise ratio to the input to a receiver.
 
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